On this week's episode of the podcast, freeCodeCamp founder Quincy Larson interviews Rishab Kumar, cloud engineer and developer advocate at Twillio. Rishab grew up in India and moved to Canada for school. But he couldn't afford to finish. He resorted to delivering pizzas and working at a gas station. But he worked hard to teach himself how to code and how to build cloud infrastructure, and eventually got a job Google. Support for this podcast comes from a grant from Wix Studio. Wix Studio provides developers tools to rapidly build websites with everything out-of-the-box, then extend, replace, and break boundaries with code. Learn more at https://wixstudio.com. Support also comes from the 11,043 kind folks who support freeCodeCamp through a monthly donation. Join these kind folks and help our mission by going to https://www.freecodecamp.org/donate We talk about: - How to teach yourself cloud engineering - Getting repeatedly rejected from FAANG jobs but persisting - Filling up the Infinity Gauntlet with cloud certifications - How DevOps and Cloud Engineering are changing Can you guess what song I'm playing in the intro? Links we talk about during our conversation: - Rishab's Terraform course on freeCodeCamp: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-use-terraform-to-deploy-a-site-on-google-cloud-platform/ - Rishab's LangChain LLM deployment course on freeCodeCamp: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/learn-langchain-for-llm-development/ - Learn to Cloud guide by Rishab and his friend at Microsoft, Gwyn: https://learntocloud.guide/ - Rishab's YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@rishabincloud/videos Chapters 0:00:00 Teaser 0:00:56 Moon Theme from DuckTales NES 0:01:58 Introduction to Rishab Kumar and Cloud Engineering 0:07:51 The Growth of Cloud Engineering 0:13:58 Transitioning from Tech Support to Cloud Engineer 0:20:02 The Importance of Curiosity and Learning 0:25:50 Certifications and Continuous Learning 0:41:50 The Google Dream: Insights from an Ex-Googler 0:48:15 A Second Chance: Reapplying to Google 0:55:05 Transitioning to Twilio: Finding Fulfillment 1:02:25 Future Trends in Cloud Computing 1:10:29 Starting from Scratch: A Roadmap to Cloud Engineering ❤️ Support for this channel comes from our friends at Scrimba – the coding platform that's reinvented interactive learning: https://scrimba.com/freecodecamp 🎉 Thanks to our Champion and Sponsor supporters: 👾 Drake Milly 👾 Ulises Moralez 👾 Goddard Tan 👾 David MG 👾 Matthew Springman 👾 Claudio 👾 Oscar R. 👾 jedi-or-sith 👾 Nattira Maneerat 👾 Justin Hual -- Learn to code for free and get a developer job: https://www.freecodecamp.org Read hundreds of articles on programming: https://freecodecamp.org/news